Thursday, July 15, 2010

Religion is blind.

"I don't know what makes sense anymore."

3,2,1, Let's go.

Holidays is almost over, that means my netbook will be back in my hands soon. Yay.

I have no idea, but there are a few who find my slight...comtempt? No, too strong. Slight dislike..(and it's only very slight) for religion. It's not that "oh, it's a cult, run, RUN" it's more of "Well. I didn't like it years ago, so why should anything change, now?". Maybe I'm wrong about myself. But it would seem that I'm not going to be part of any religion anytime soon. So apologies for any rude jokes, but maybe I'm just ignorant.

Religion leads onto the topic of suicide. Now, it's not anything about me wanting to/contemplating TO, rather, contemplating the complex situation someone thinking about it has now gotten themselves into. First, I understand if people don't want to read this, fine, but for those who do, know now, that it's interesting but somewhat morbid. Ah, such is me.

Foremost, is how the prefix Sui- comes about. I have no idea either. Though, I'm sure all you History buffs know what the suffix -Cide means, so I don't need to elaborate on this bit.

Secondly is the religious aspect (Now, tell me with a straight face you didn't see that coming.). Traditionally (?), suiciders have no place in Heaven because they have put their life in their own hands and not the hands of whatever God there is. Thus, Christians will not allow them to be buried on hallowed ground. Which is the traditional land on which people are buried/Cemeteries. But I'm not quite too sure, please correct me. Being Atheist, hallowed ground has little significance to me, but maybe someone will explain said significance.

Next in line, human rights. Why shouldn't someone make their own decision to take their own life? Hence, the...ownership of "own". Reminds me of the book/play, "Whose life is it anyway?" God is not human, so why should he have any ownership over you, and why should you be denied a burial like anyone else? (Maybe I've got something wrong. I'm always right and always wrong.)

Along from that is the role of the Doctor. Say an attempted suicide shows up in your ER. Now what do you do? Your training says, save them. But what if, when they wake up, they try again? What if they sue you? Yes, people are like that in the world, always trying to grab as much as they can before the expiry date on them turns white and turns them to dust. And now you see what kind of situation it is.

Then think of the family and friends. Regardless of what you do, as a doctor/surgeon, they may be vexed. And you wonder how complex a world this is. Where people now rely on one another to survive and yet distrust them all. A big world that knows no bounds and no face.

I wonder if I will ever be a surgeon. It seems that I do, deep down. But I am afraid. Of that one time where someone dies because I overlooked something. Because I forgot something. There is always that ONE time. And I wonder...

Hoping I can find some answers.

12 comments:

icedtrees said...

"deep down" is a bit cliché now. I mean, your brain's in your head, and I'm pretty sure people don't go around hanging upside down.

But really, your points against religion don't make any sense. Not that I'm religious, but listening to CS teachers for a few years gives you insight.

God isn't human, which is why he has ownership over you. However, you cannot describe him as completely non-human either, because we were "made in his image".

Actually your analysis of religion is basically analysis of Christianity, but it actually depends what branch it is. Most Anglicans teach that as long as you recognise Jesus and whatever you're saved, so if you can commit suicide in a godly way I suppose you can go to heaven.

JM said...

suicune.

and doesn't religion gmh? well give followers hope (most of the time)

Renee said...

"Traditionally (?), suiciders have no place in Heaven because they have put their life in their own hands and not the hands of whatever God there is."

Not true, because going to heaven isn't defined by how you die.

And you're saved if you just recognize Jesus, most of the world believes Jesus did live on earth and run around a bit, and aren't Christians.

Yes.

Renee said...

Oh, blasphemy on my part;


And you're not saved if you just recognize Jesus, most of the world believes Jesus did live on earth and run around a bit, and aren't Christians.

icedtrees said...

There's actually a difference; recognising Jesus involves making an attempt to adhere to his teachings and asking for forgiveness for sins, unless you wish to be sinful - doesn't really fit in with recognising Jesus as the rightful Saviour and everything. It's not the same as just believing he existed.

Renee said...

Oh, I thought recognizing Jesus meant "hey, I believe this guy existed and that's all" :)

Toan said...

Then explain to me the lore around suiciding and not being accepted in Heaven/Sent to Hell. I have no idea.

delete12 said...

in latin the other time it was something like "the only unforgivable sin is not being a christian" and you go to hell if you commit the unforgivable sin

Dyna Blade said...

A cult is any set of beliefs not held to constitute a religion legally in a country (US definition).

If you're going to talk about religion, you can't just go on about what flaws there may be in Christianity, you have to discuss other religions as well (or at least Judaism, for obvious reasons).

If you were to make a generalisation, each religion says you will go to hell or some variant if you do not adhere to its teachings, which for the most part means everyone goes to hell. But there's a large argument on that which I can't be bothered to write here.

Dude are you practising for Mi&Mo or something

Harvard said...

The lore is generally a misconception. Just as the lore with how you have to go to church every sunday, or read the bible # times or not sin. Christianity isn't about what you can't do. It's about what everyone above said.

Toan said...

No, what I mean is, whether suicide gets you banned from hallowed ground, on which Christianity has a monopoly on, and where most cemeteries are, so that would be why Judaism or Muslim, etc. etc. is of little relevance.

What's Mi&Mo?

And by extension, only the law decides what is a cult and what is a religion. Really. Sometimes I have nothing but contempt for said Law.

Happy Apple said...

We don't know what happens to suiciders. Sorry, disappointing answer, but I really don't know.

And I'd say Christianity isn't a religion as such. We don't follow rules to be saved. We have a relationship with God.

If I weren't a Christian, it would be pretty scary. I bet I'd be in perma-year 7 mode.